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Shmoogly3
1 post
27-Jun-2008
5:48 PM
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Alright the best idea would be to have a 24 hour or 2 full day game. This way u will have to indure fighting while being very tired and u will get day time battles and the really fun night battles. As far as the game plot, there should be 3 big teams.yes 3 not 2. each team will consist of 15 to 25 people. This will ensure a variety of adrenaline pumping scenarios, like being ambushed at night. The game should be a strictly free for all game with missions being made within your teams gossip. To make the game even more exciting there should be hidden ammo depots that teams have to find and take control of. ( HEY WE ALL RUN OUT OF AMMO SOME TIME) There should be no safe zone, if u join this game ur gonna stay in it. The ammo depots should be supplied by the war game room. It is up to players if they want to bring in there own bags of bbs and whatever to make there own ammos stash. When players come uppon ammo depots there is no immediate restriction on how much ammo one player can have. It is up to the player/ team that finds it to be honest and evenly distribute the ammo. Depending on if the game is 24 hours or 2 full days, the last portion of the battle should be that the teams choose one person, the person each team chooses has to gaurd him or her with there life because the last team who has there chosen person still alive wins. Each teams designated person or target gets 2 lives. GAME RULES: When a person gets hit they have to signify that they are out and should remain out of action until a medic gets to them. Each player gets 4 lives after you are hit the fourth time u have to surrender to the players team that hit u. You belong to them and have to obbey them until a player on your team rescues u by touching u. THIS GAME SHOULD BE HELD ON JUNE 7TH NOT THE 8TH BECAUSE SOME KIDS HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL ON MONDAY!
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Biscuit-Boy
254 post s
27-Jun-2008
8:33 PM
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Welcome, and thank you for your contribution. Please read this whole thing or don't read at all.
Here's me being nice---
Interesting idea, but the only thing really un-thought of is the 3 teams, but only for 24 hour games. I'm sure all of this has been done before, other than the no safe zone and the 4 life POW thing. I'm trying really hard to be nice, but I can't think of anything lol :). Bye the way, I'm not actually being mean down here, I just needed to sound mean. I want to see what it feels like. Here's me being mean--- First, that's not really anything new. The 3 team battle is a bit new, but a little complicated, and I'm not sure you'll be able to get 60 people to play. Also, if you do, you'd probably need to charge people to play, which would be odd to do for someone who is holding their first official game. (assumption I know) Next, why the frick don't you want to have a safe zone!?! What if someone gets hurt? Has a heat stroke? Breaks their gun? Has an emergency they need to attend to? Has to go to the bathroom? There's a lot more to a safe zone than just taking a break, and you know it. Another thing, why would the war game room supply free ammo unless people pay to play? And what if someone uses more ammo than they paid for? You can expect at least one or two people to take more than they're share if you have 60 flippin' people playing. Also, the last part, you need to work on your grammar. You said that the person the teams pick has to guard themselves with THEIR own lives. That's what they'd be doing anyway! Next, wtf is with the only 4 lives. Why shouldn't everyone, good or bad, get to play the whole time? It's hard to make 4 lives last for two whole days if you're not very good. And then you have to spend the rest of the game at the enemies base filling sandbags and digging trenches? The least you could do is let the poor POW's just sit in a "Jail" until they're rescued. And how many lives to they get once they're rescued? Or do they just turn into slaves again? Finally, work on your grammar and spelling. Don't be lazy. Most people don't realize how much smarter they'd sound if they spent a minute thinking about what they're going to say and another 2 minutes typing it. I do it ALL THE TIME! Also, who the frick has school in July?! If they go to summer school they probably don't need to be airsofting. Lawl. ---------- Fuggiddaboudit'
Last Edited on 27-Jun-2008 8:35 PM
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Manatee00
38 post s
27-Jun-2008
10:48 PM
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Also another good reason to have a safe zone is Mrs. Armsdealer. You go shooting in her designated safe zone, and you won't have to worry about playing games there anymore. Or for a lesser crime you'll have so many bb bruises you'll be able to connect the dots.
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snake
69 post s
27-Jun-2008
11:22 PM
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yeah b-b's rite him, another guy, and I are planning our 1st game and it has to have a bit more detail. lol ---------- SNAKE-watch it i'm sneaky pop! pop!
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Biscuit-Boy
256 post s
28-Jun-2008
8:34 AM
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Lawl Manatee, I did my connect the dots and it looked like a bag of cookies! ---------- Fuggiddaboudit'
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Kruse
61 post s
28-Jun-2008
1:00 PM
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Not to be an a-hole, but for someone attempting to correct someone else's grammar and spelling... "Bye the way, I'm not actually being mean down here, I just needed to sound mean. I want to see what it feels like." (it should be by the way, unless you are sending him off to boot camp ;) unless you meant by the bye...which is the same thing as by the way.) And to the event... (please read it all) I wouldn't go simply because I'm not a fan of free-for-all games, especially for 24 hours straight. Though most people don't have "school" on mondays, there are people who have camps, jobs, etc. that need to be done with airsofting and have some good rest before monday morning. Three teams has been done before, It could work, as long as all three teams are balanced. IMHO, you'll never get 15-25 people per team for three teams, especially for a 24 hour event. Safe zone, is a necessity. Tents aren't BB proof (we've tested it, they literally can be shot through 25 feet away with a stock AEG). Some people don't want to/can't sleep with goggles on (specifically people with contacts), as well... some people just don't want to sleep in the dirt, even if they don't have to pay. Though I personally love it. BBs, I agree with, that is a huge cost to incur ($12-$15 a bag, plus not everyone uses the same weight BBs). With a little work, your event could be a big hit though, but as I said, some people don't like the free-for-all so much, but I'll tell you one thing, don't change everything because of what others tell you, if you have an idea, run with it. You may lose out on some money, but you learned the most valuable thing... the experience(yes you can learn that). The best of luck to you. ---------- Kruser
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Texx
501 post s
28-Jun-2008
2:41 PM
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Not to be mean, Kruse, but you used propane in a KSC Glock 26. Can we really trust anything you say? :D
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Kruse
62 post s
29-Jun-2008
9:43 AM
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As well as my Sig Sauer 226... but keep that a secret! I need to know I can trust you... ---------- Kruser
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SquidGMGAE22
7 post s
29-Jun-2008
12:40 PM
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Biscuit, I agree with you that people do not have school in July, nor do they have school June 7th or 8th which is what was in the message. Sorry just had to point that out.From a safety stand point, I must point out that if there was not a safe zone, I personally would not particapate in that game. Although I do like the idea of a game going longer than the standard 5pm. \ Looking forward to Thunder. JJ ---------- Success is based on how high you bounce once you've hit bottom. ..Gen. Douglas MacArthur.. "I guess I must be successful as hell since I bounce high.."
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Biscuit-Boy
258 post s
29-Jun-2008
9:36 PM
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Lol did I say the wrong month? Oopsie! ---------- Fuggiddaboudit'
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Musashi
34 post s
29-Jun-2008
9:51 PM
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I just lurk on the forums most of the time, but at this point I feel I must say my piece. Shmoogly: While I do somewhat like your idea, it does have quite a few major flaws that you should know: Cost: As Kruse pointed out, there would be a massive cost for this scenario - Ammo is kind of expensive. I generally try for accuracy more than spray-and-pray tactics when I play, and I still go through about 2500 BBs per game. There are quite a few people playing on the field that can easily go through at least 4x that amount. Armsdealer (Mr. and Mrs.) sell excellent quality BBs for approximately $12 a bag of 2000(Maybe more? Not sure, haven't played in a while.) There's no real feasible way for the Armsdealers to take that much of a loss without charging a substantial amount for the game. Safety; As Biscuit said, there's no way to get away with not having a safe zone. Bathroom breaks, food, water, and rest are all very necessary. If you ran a game without rest for that long of a period of time, people would be exhausted and start making stupid mistakes (Like forgetting to put on goggles, not removing clips in the building, ignoring the bang rule). I have stayed up for a period of 36 hours due to working a triple shift at work (Open at 5am, close at midnight, open at 5am again.) and I was too exhausted to be able to drive the mile to get to my house, I had to have my brother come pick me up. Imagine if I had picked up an airsoft gun and started running around the field shooting people in that state? It would be not only completely insane, but I'd probably do something stupid enough to get my ass kicked off the field. Safety is paramount to the survival of the field and the sport itself. That's all I can think of for you at the moment, so onto my next topic. This will be one of the extremely few times you see me flame somebody. I'm difficult to anger 90% of the time, but I can't just sit by and watch somebody get trashed by someone who hasn't the right to. Biscuit-Boy: I have played a few games with you, and you seemed like a decent fellow at the time. On the forums however, you seem to be a completely different person. I have watched you flame so many different people it's like watching someone pour gasoline onto napalm. What right do you have to attack someone over grammar, when yours isn't perfect? You're not a teacher of any kind, You're a teenager. Nobody is more confident than when they're behind a screen, right? I won't even claim to have perfect grammar - it comes from learning a foreign language, studying two different grammar systems at the same time tends to make both poor. Attacking a new player just because you don't like their ideas or planning is just plain inexcusable. Airsoft is built on a community of people who enjoy each other's company (As well as the exchanging of welts), and going after someone over something as inane as a game plan is completely ridiculous and goes against everything this game represents. You're not perfect and I'm not perfect. Nobody is, get used to it. There's no point in having a "Nice" part of your posting and a "Mean" part. There's constructive criticism and being a jerk. By the way - if it seems like I'm acting confident just because I'm typing this on a computer, you're dead wrong. If you start in on a new player on the field like this, I will respond just the same. Feel free to email me with any questions or comments : Twigtts@gmail.com Ben ---------- "You want to pay for gun parts with cookies?"
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alex
156 post s
29-Jun-2008
10:00 PM
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So yeah I can't write something long and beautiful like my close friend ben. So here's my short two cents. Shmoog: I have wanted to play a 24 hour game for a while but the players would have to be divided into three eight hour shifts. There is pretty much no other safe way of doing it. Biscuit-Boy: Please do not flame new users. It makes the community look like a bunch of jerks. So yes there were problem's with the new users post but cut him some slack, he's new. God knows we have to cut you slack for the fact that you are afraid of actually fighting. And if you think I am just saying this because I am behind a keyboard next time I am on the field we can discuss this a little more. ---------- When the angels are away, the demons come out to play
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Jelly
16 post s
29-Jun-2008
10:57 PM
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Group hug anyone? :) ---------- "Never shall innocent blood be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The Three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of God.
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Sutton
75 post s
29-Jun-2008
11:35 PM
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Well said by Musashi ...now about those groups hugs...I AM IN! ---------- GOPMAT Airsoft "Tex" Sutton www.gopmatairsoft.com "We're all on our way out, act accordingly."
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Armsdealer
ABZ owner
806 post s
30-Jun-2008
1:01 PM
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Easy on biscuit he comes from a airsoft upbringing filled with "tuff love" from that WAA airsoft neighborhood on the South East Side....LOL :) "Holy crap Musashi" what did they feed you in australia? As far as the game post...Come on out to the field, Play a game and we will talk about it! Like I tell a certain cookie loving chairsofter I know "how can you tell us how to play a game you only watch"! Group hugs!!!! ---------- "Airsoft" Come share the welts! Armsdealer Airsoft Gun Repairs...with a warranty
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Musashi
35 post s
30-Jun-2008
1:57 PM
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I had a lot of fish... ---------- "You want to pay for gun parts with cookies?"
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alex
157 post s
30-Jun-2008
7:21 PM
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Wouldn't growing up in a rough area give him more of a will to fight? But sure if you guys want a group hug, I am a free hugs guy. ---------- When the angels are away, the demons come out to play
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Biscuit-Boy
259 post s
30-Jun-2008
9:49 PM
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Musashiiii! You made me feel bad :( Why you gotta' be like that? I have to admit I did seem to have an angry/rude tone about my post, but other than overdoing it quite a bit, all of my points were completely valid (except grammar, I make a bunch of little mistakes because I can't pay attention very well), and I'm going to stand by them, although I shouldn't have been so mean :( WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!! :( *passes out because can't stop crying to breathe in* ---------- Fuggiddaboudit'
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Guest
Guest
0 post
1-Jul-2008
12:07 AM
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Hey, Pizano. Since you wanna sound like some gumba from the Bronks, (Fuggiddaboudit', try this. No playa da game, no maka da rules. Capishe?
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Texx
506 post s
1-Jul-2008
10:10 AM
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Hey guys, let off Biscuit Boy. Some day he will be a "Biscuit Man" and liberate himself from his "fascist parents" with their rules and regulations. And it's not his fault he can't come to games. He has come to the opinion that his commentary on his living conditions he provides to his parents is entirely constructive to their parenting methods. It's not his fault they place a lower value on his constructive criticism. If you had come to believe your opinions and criticisms were an important feedback for your parents chosen parenting style, then you could honestly not take responsibility when parents refuse to accept your point of view. And in this society where parents are obviously to blame for every choice their child makes, and are harshly criticized by society for refusing to give their child the freedom of choice... Yeah, I don't believe any of it either. Biscuit, learn to STFU. Let them, instead, be entreated with your devout silence. ----------
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Biscuit-Boy
261 post s
1-Jul-2008
3:58 PM
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*dies* I mean...uh...ya,k. ---------- Fuggiddaboudit'
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Shmoogly3
2 post s
3-Jul-2008
12:42 PM
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The whole idea of this game was to have to endure alittle bit. Just like you have to endure alot if you were in a real war. I just thought that it would be cool to kind of feel some of the pain that you would experience if you were actually in a war. Thats why I said there shouldn't be a safe zone. Some people a big whinny bitches that just want everything there way, so I can see why those people would not like this event. But, for some of us who like a challenge once and a while, this would be perfect, because of all the things you have to get buy. Just think you finally get to sleep at night, but suddenly your ambushed. You must be pretty tired fighting all day and then to have to fight in the middle of your sleep. Thats got to be one heck of a ride. Getting back to the safe zone, because some of you probably dont get it. I understand that the safe zone is not just for resting, its also for reloading and resolving mechanical problems. I know all of this, when I wrote this game I wasn't just talking out of my ass, I thought long and hard about everything. So for those who dont like this game thats fine, but some people would like to get a better taste of war without having to really go through a war. Thats what i have to say about all your negative comments. I appreciate the negative comments that talk about my flaws though. These comments just make trial and error to make the game much better!
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Biscuit-Boy
263 post s
4-Jul-2008
10:01 AM
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*comes out of cave* So wait...whatcha gon' do' if'n sum'n get's hurt, eh? [Translation]What are you going to do if there's an injury?[/Translation] That was really the most important part. Sleeping and broken guns isn't that bad, but if someone gets shot in the eye or sprains something, we need somewhere to have them go. I suggest you have a safe zone, but only make it available if someone needs to go to the bathroom (not really something you need people shooting at you for) or anything else. So pretty much only in EMERGENCIES. The rest of the game they have to rough it. Just try to work something around that. Because it is REALLY important that you have one. ---------- Fuggiddaboudit'
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Forest Gump
14 post s
4-Jul-2008
1:43 PM
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at any field, there will be some form of a safe zone, itr could be a building, or a parking lot, who knows? but for this game, you could have the safe zone be only useable in case of an emergency or somthing
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Kruse
63 post s
6-Jul-2008
9:28 AM
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I've got an idea that could help you be safe and force people to rough it (i love forcing people to do things... and i love roughing it, so of course, i love forcing people to rough it). Make the safe zone a small tent large enough for three people... so if there is an emergency, there is room for the victim and the EMTs. But remember, in all of our posts (everyones) above, we weren't trying to persuade you not to do your event, and of course you don't even have to read our posts. You do your event the way you want to do it, we were just trying to provide some information to you from experience. I know Jason and Judy would help you any way they can if you were to hold an event at their field. Just bring some cookies. ---------- Kruser
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Texx
509 post s
6-Jul-2008
12:22 PM
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Shmoogly; While I don't exactly agree with the way Biscuit Boy replied to your idea, I do understand why he did so. Organizing a game takes far more diplomacy and if you are submitting ideas, you need to look at criticism as being a natural part of discussion. This is a discussion board and posts here are up for discussion, otherwise, whats the point of posting? Safe Zone If you're gonna hold the game at ABZ, there is an existing Safezone and its use should not be restricted. Players leaving the game often don kill rags to do so. And if returning to the game, often return to their team's respawn point before returning to the game. Players often leave the field to clear up gun problems, change into different gear, go to the bathroom, or other similar issues. Sometimes, you have to address fogging goggles, damaged gear, or even injured players. Organizing Games As an Organizer, it is up to you to set up the rules for the game as long as they do not conflict with established rules for safety on the field. Armsdealer is ultimately the final word on what goes on at his field, while also giving discretion to the Field Safety Committee. As a person who has run games at ABZ, I can tell you that a degree of flexibility is required on your part. Understanding of the game and common issues airsofters face helps you understand what objectives you can set for the players. These people are coming from all over the state, many from Minnesota. Heck even some Florida players recently! These guys are paying for gas to get to the field. They may then have to pay an entrance fee to get into your game. But they are ultimately paying to play a game and you as an organizer are working for them. Secondly, Airsofters come from every walk of life, using guns and gear of every conceivable type to play in their game. They may have precision custom tuned weapons or a $12 springer from Wal-Mart. Regardless of this, guns and gear will fail on the field. Players will need a way to safely exit the combat zone to either re-arm or resolve their issue. Additionally, they may injure themselves and need to get off the field. After this, you have to understand the types of achievable goals you hope to set for the game. You can't make an objective to easy or the game will end early. You can't make it too hard or the teams may not ever be able to accomplish it. It takes an understanding of players and motivation to set an objective. Finally, you have to be flexible for when the game doesn't go as planned. The human element may totally change the game, leaving you unprepared. I adopted an adaptive style of organizing and made a loose story board for items to do in the game. Sometimes, the human element would present a totally separate element that changes everything. You can try to stop the game and start over or you can use that to your advantage and work the new problem. It's up to you, but remember you ultimately answer to the players. And if they think the game sucks, you are gonna get more criticism from them, especially when they paid to be there. Just a few ideas to throw at you. Use them as needed and call me in the morning. :D ----------
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Shmoogly3
6 post s
6-Jul-2008
9:15 PM
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I made an error when I posted; the line that sais the ammo depots should be supplied by the wargame room was a fault. I had a base idea of this game and posted it on the wargameroom forum. Then I posted it here because wargameroom doesn't do night games, (liability reasons). The ammo depots should be supplied by everyone thats participating in the game. Everyone that comes should bring one bag of 5000 round bbs. (.2 gram and up, we dont want to ruin our guns with .12 grams and the brands can not be target brand tippman bbs-cheap bbs can get clogged in our guns). I also agree with people about the safe zone now. If people are going to pay with money out of there own pockets they should be given the chance to maintain there equipment and make there time spent suitable to there needs. I would aprecciate any more ideas to make this game more fun, (game plot ideas, settings, teams, etc.).
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Texx
510 post s
7-Jul-2008
5:11 AM
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Again, players may have a gun failure at any time, regardless of the manufacture or level of maintenance they put into it. Its not a question of whether or not they can afford, but sometimes just fate. I think you may be trying to micromanage areas of the game that are really not going to be feasible. All you need to do to develop a game is: * come up with your scenario, * determine what type of medic/respawn system you are going to use, * Determine what props (if any) are going to be necessary for the game, * determine whether or not you are going to restrict magazine types - midcaps and regs vs. high caps. The rest is either going to be unmanageable or is simply not a realistic expectation of players. Players use different BBs in their guns, may have totally different weights or BB characteristics for their guns. One BB working in one gun may clog another. Then you have people running tightbores, which may require a specific BB or weight to work properly in that gun. Mandating that players share ammo can be a death sentence for some players' guns. Would you also propose that a shooter using a custom weigh BB for his sniper rifle be required to use the "community BB" or that other players have to use his custom BBs? Secondly, now players would be required to share their BBs with everyone else. The players now have to pony up an additional $12-$15 to play in a game. ----------
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Mama Squishy
10 post s
7-Jul-2008
5:57 AM
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Hate to say this, but that was NOT flaming. If you think that BB was flaming the new person, you obviously don't frequent other boards. I think he was rather nice about what he had to say. Could have used a little more toned down usage of words, but that wasn't flaming. It was simply telling it as it was. Flaming would be calling the OP a stupid idiot, which he didn't. My thoughts, and I know I'm probably late in getting this in, b WTH.... Sounds fun, not safe, and ARE YOU NUTS? ---------- "Games lubricate the body and the mind." Benjamin Franklin
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